she is not omnipotent, but PR beyonder and TOAA are, and PR beyonder is at LT level, which means TOAA wins. 0. Pre-retcon Molecule Man hasn't paid his taxes in like, 10 years, since he's been been galavanting around the universe. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine Pages@Pr_Beyonder said: " Remember Beyonder's omniscient so. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Marth Kent rolls up a newspaper and hits him makes him do. Round 2: Molecule Man after the retcon Beyonder era. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. Manhattan's league. Although the Beyonder was retconned to a Cosmic Cube, he was retconned again into an Inhuman-Mutant, thus he lacks the feats. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. 9 years ago. Eru Iluvatar (in a contest of who made a cooler world) Lucifer, Thanos, Dr. Some dude told me this guy was strong but i think goku can with with. •Beyonder is infinitely bigger than the whole multiverse [which has infinite number of universe in it]. This is hard to tell. Oblivion is just another aspect of Death and Beyonder removed her from reality just like he would Oblivion. So. Who do you think is the strongest in Marvel? Who do you think is the strongest in DC? If they fight who will win???Sure, baby 400 tonner mark LOL, also he made a weird noise just as PR Beyonder made a noise when hulk slammed him. pr beyonder was to kill death and all the abstracts (eternity,watcher,LT,galactus,mephisto,celestials) begged him but he killed death anyway. Follow 88. And of course the LT himself. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Marvel - Living Tribunal, PR- MM and Beyonder, HoTU MAYBE DC-Fully Powered Spectre, CA Superman, Mandrakk, Nix Uotan Marvel- Multi-Eternity? I don't know a lot about Marvel cosmics. Round 1: Molecule Man from the pre-retcon Beyonder era. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. Taikyoku is the beginning of all. The Living Tribunal, PR-Beyonder, PR-Molecule Man, Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, HOTU Thanos, Scathan the Approver, Mister Mxyzptlk. Beyonder is the bigger god. As stated, numerous times throughout secret wars and in separate interviews with the creator (shooter) the beyond realm (and thus the beyonder's power) was MILLIONS OF TIMES greater than the marvel multiverse (again, Pre retcon this is ALL of marvel and. Thanos (HOTU) Very debatable. Follow 75. 6,407. 1. PR Molecule Man. PR Beyonder still wins unless of course that's MF Mxy which I doubt it is (and even if it was some idiot would argue that actually being able to change the beyonder into a turd doesn't count for. Who wins? & who are each U's Omniversal beings? If someone does DC, I'll then do marvels to show there superiAnything they can do the PR beyonder can do if not even do better. Beyonder solos. Gen. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. 11 years ago. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Gen. In the OG secret wars LT gathered a crew of the strongest cosmic entitities to face of PR Beyonder and couldnt do anything. But tbh I think Lucifer is just a smarter fighter. Retconned/Modern Beyonder < Ivory Kings. No offense man, but Johnny is right on the fact that PR Beyonder is = TOAA. 13 years ago. Further to that; Odin, Galactus and, especially Beyonder, are all. The Molecule Man and Galactus that Spider-Man defeated with the powers. LT's powers/status was never set, hence the whole retcon deal. Both strike an ambiguous pose when it comes to creating a universe. See moreJoin this channel to get access to perks:…PR Beyonder was millions of times powerful than the entire Marvel Multiverse. Phoenix is on par with those guys. 1. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. ReplyFor this fight: PR MM was written to be above any entity from Marvel Ominverse, except PR Beyonder of course. FollowComposite Spidey is powerful but gets pushed aside first I’d say, even wit the powers of the Beyonder race. The camera zooms out of the celebrating teens only to show PRB above them with puppet strings in his hands. Their mere Taikyoku trashes on both Molecule man and PR Beyonder. You can't claim the same about Asura's. #1 Edited By bluepride1234. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. FinalStar86. this would be no different than me or you creating a character and then saying "oh look he can beat Pr Beyonder". Kuuko273. He dwarfed every cosmic entity minus toaa. Not everything needs to have the uni/multi/omniverse on the line. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. 13 years ago. 63 results. I almost think they should be banned. MM solo's. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. @majestic99. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. 02-27-2015, 03:13 AM #3. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. 13 years ago. The Beyonder, in his own universe, attacked Protege and almost instantly Protege neutralized, Beyonder copying his powers. That is how PR Beyonder was described, a verse so vast, that Marvel was a. Followers. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Wiki Points. Minor nitpick. i wanna hear mr. HOTU Thanos. While Manhattan is a multiversal entity tribunal is. Michael and Lucy. Pr beyonder. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). m outperformed beyonder,, And in Alan Moore’s watchmen, dr. PR Beyonder. @Pr_Beyonder: We Never saw it's limits, But Aang used it to completely seal away phoenix lord Ozai's Fire bending and made it so he "could never hurt anyone ever again. Merely has ultimate molecular control. His will is law. ForumsMe and a friend have been arguing over this for a long time,so we decided to make our own matches to see which of our favorites wins. He swears he will destroy the multiverse for. How far does he get? R1: The Justice League (Post-Crisis) R2: Superboy Prime. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. One Above All Wasnt around when PR Beyonder was, people liken PRB to what TOAA would of been at the time. Since this is PR Beyonder he might win, but the whole point of The Endless is that the three most powerful ones are way up there, and all of them combined have the same power level as the Presence. master. But Beyonder not only owned the entire MU, he did it casually, and his reality warping makes GEB's powers a non-factor. The biggest parallel would be the Beyonder, IMO (or possibly the Beyonders). The beyond realm was also so large in size it made the marvel multiverse look like a droplet of water while the beyond realm was the ocean. I think Beyonder wins based on feats. . User Lists: 3 #20 g2_ Beyonder curb stomps. Oh, and Doom has a gun. Even if we insanely highball Spectre to be equal to the Living Tribunal (which, as powerful as he is, he clearly is not), this still puts the Beyonder above Spectre, who’s above Mxy. If Doom goes at full confidence in. No, they can't adapt to. And the beyonders are destroying the entire Multiverse with no opposition,so they have no equal either. Holo-Man • 3 yr. The Two fight in the beyond realm. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Wiki Points. Funny, didn. Battle 1SpidermanBatman Captin America Deadpool Storm Magneto Cyclops Wolverine Kitty Pryde Jean Grey(without PF) Juggernaut Red Hulk Savage Hulk Grey@Pr_Beyonder said: " Did Lucifer make an Dc's appearences? or is Vertigo accounted for when refferencing DC(I know they're the same company:P)? " Lucifer made 2 cameo appearances in the third. It's pretty much PR Beyonder , LT & HOTU Thanos vs Lucifer Morningstar, Michael Demiurgos, full power Spectre, WF Mxy & COIE Anti Monitor , with a small assist from the rest of their teams . I don't know what handbook that text appeared in trying to retcon a retcon, but canonically, beyonders are responsible for the. And the LT he beat was undefined. Martian (Martian Manhunter) 3. This is the original seven and the battle takes place onWhat characters in the Marvel Universe could defeat Michael Demiurgos?Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Comic Writters>Comic characters, the PR beyonder was stated to be the representation of the writters in the comic in that they could do they anything and that they were beyond anything in the comic thus the name "The Beyonder". 6 years ago. Maybe some people will think or debate that PR Beyonder or Oblivion wins against the All-Mighty. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. 0. 801. When picturing PR Beyonder's power I always use this analogy: Imagine the PR Amalgan Brothers, you know, the guys that made LT and Specter look like ants. 8551. Even The. deactivated-5ee15da0e0aad. PR Beyonder > Ivory Kings. I really don't want to believe. Ultra (Ultraman) 4. Victory by permanent death or erasure. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. BEYONDERGOD. Edit: Oh yea, pretty sure that Oblivion is the one that. The Beyonders that killed all the Celestials then proceeded to shit on all the cosmic beings like The Living Tribunals. Take the hill. Reviews. " I agree for the most part,the way I see this. Even though Pr Beyonder was published/written by Marvel he was not meant to be a Marvel entity, but an entity outside of the Marvel Actuality - in essence his own Actuality. #6 Edited By icecream1991. The man with the blue privates exists only b/c the man from beyond allows him to. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. He was much, much stronger than fundamental forces of the universe such as Galactus, Entropy, Eternity, etc. PR Beyonder was TOAA in the beyond realm. Im suprised that PR Beyonder isnt here. One on one, most people would say that PR. Round 1: CAS vs. Battle takes place in an infinite omniverse. From incredibly superficial research, it's the whole "Shadow/Dark Reflection of God" thing that has been knocking around in DC since the old Swamp Thing days. Beyonder would just make remake everything that was destroyed. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Since he knows past. No. Besides when PR Beyonder and PR Molecular Man fought , we know MM was Beyonder's only friend. PR Beyonder can also create and destroy multiverses (reality, dimensions, etc) at a higher level than even the Living Tribunal can. 1 Winner: The Beyonder. Lord Urizen. He's an Evil Genius AND an Evil Sorceror who lives in a Dracula-castle. Manhattan has never shown any feats to even suggest him being at Beyonder's level. He was so powerful that nothing in the Marvel Multiverse. TR was created by this. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. PR Beyonder. Bonus: Nothing that I know of. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. I’m goin wit Batman. Even PR Beyonder is just an infinite dimensional reality warper, and the Archetypes whom are significantly weaker than the Outer Gods control infinite dimensional multiverses and beings like chess. Lucifer's power is stated to be infinit, and he is virtually omnipotent. The Beyonder: Who Wins In A Fight? By David Harth Published Sep 11, 2020 The Beyonder and Dr. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. Hard to call in terms of power. Pokergeist. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. 11,059. He. No chance of being omnipotent. Beerus might have trouble with thor, shazam, and POSSIBLY wonder woman due to their godly and magical nature, the rest of the list(up to ten) is easy as pie. Like, that kind of thing has to matter, if not, Flash can speed-steal Odin, or Galactus, or PR Beyonder. Trigon took over 12 universes as a child and destroyed countless more. PR Beyonder was TOAA before TOAA was ever a thought. Beyonder saying he's omnipotent or gaining back his powers doesn't confirm his omnipotence. lannfear. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. what happened in the last issue of Secret Wars 2 is not a defeat. Forums. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. He. 4 years ago. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. If TOAA comes to DC and try to challenge The Presence , TOAA will lose since he won't be omnipotent anymore. Wiki Points. Bait? 1 year ago. buster wise, and low level reality warper, that stuffPR Beyonder feats, Chuck Norris facts, Woody Wood Pecker whatevers. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder > Celestials > Phoenix Force. Apr 2014. He is bigger than the multiverse, which is infinite in size. Pr Beyonder made LT his little bitch, along with everyone else in the multiverse. 13 years ago. . 0. " Current as in the old man with parkinson's. Yeah, and apparently PR Beyonder was a young version of the Beyonders in the prompt. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. If that's true, the Presence would be way weaker then PR Beyonder. 6 years ago deactivated. Forum Posts. Forum Posts. The Beginners Guide To Comics: Come Join The Discord: Beyonder was somehow tricked by dr doom and lost his power which is dumb tbh. Doom. ". PR Beyonder was 2nd only to TOAA before being retconned and would erase protege from existence. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. I didn't say he was TOAA himself *face palm* BEYONDER was TOAA before TOAA existed BEYONDER was him (TOAA) in his own. R5: Dr. TR was created by this. This isn't a battle,Its an execution. Lucifer WINS. Beyonder escaped. Standard equipment. Wiki Points. Round 3 and 4: Same as round 1 and 2 without Infinity Gaunlet or Heart of the Universe. M. He was said to be millions of times more powerful than the entire marvel universe(?). Follow 3068. Follow 8649. What we know about Mark Miller's Marvel 1985 is that. " @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. All are child's play compared to what Bugs could do. #2 deactivated-629d3023b5b49. How does Protege beat PR Beyonder? Protege vs Beyonder. His isn't from another universe. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. but a little known dc character, part of the vertigo universe, Saints of Killers. @lariend said: Missmatch any from team 2 can solo. First Firmament (Maybe biased)ALTERNATE VERSION: THE AFTERMATH OF SUPERMAN PRIME vs MONARCH: After defeating Monarch & the demise of Universe 51, Superman Prime senses that hisPR Beyonder should have no problem soloing, even if everyone else was in the other team. ago. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. living tribunal could not do a damn thing 12 years ago. . • 1 year ago. After his creator, Jim Shooter left Marvel, writer-editor Tom DeFalco, displeased with. Followers. Air Legend. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. let's wait and see his actual feats. Bump. Protege and Mad Jim Jaspers are kind of wild cards. So LT + Abstracts + Ultimate Nullifier + other beings of the whole multi-verse other than Molecule. agreed the PR beyonder was kind of like a super amped version of the loeb force 13 years ago. A . However, that is NOT always the most accurate way to decipher a victory. The beams are a secondary power to the effect. Pre-retcon versions of Beyonder and MM. Team 1 wins. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. Actually i think you have a misconception of the timelines buddy that or your hating on the Marquis of death. Followers. 9 years ago. So yeah PR Beyonder would stomp Lucifer. The Beyonder was literally the most powerful entity in the Marvel universe before he was retconned. PR Beyonder is OP, he was originally written to be THE top entity in Marvel, there's no real beating him. The heavy hitters for team marvel are PR beyonder, PR molecule man, post-secret wars III molecule man, living tribunal, multiversal eternity, multiversal death. @Prince CortSether said: Assuming PR Beyonder in this thread stands for Pre-retcon like it usually does. In the OVA Z made it clear him and masaki were experiments. PR Beyonder, on the other hand, treated Galactus like a bug. PR Beyonder with PR Molecule man can beat the crap out of everyone. Wiki. 10 months ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Pr beyonder, ToAA, the presence, HoTU thanos. Why would a reality warper have any effect on a Biblical angelic being? The concept and idea of divinity, as in, coming from God, is a concept that Marvel lacks. Perfect teamwork. Lucifer Morningstar rated 1A. PR Beyonder is intended to be a god within another dimension but this doesn't then make him incapable of being compared to TOAA, especially because PR Beyonder would be effected by the universe. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. When a guy who can repair the entire multiverse with. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. The Beyonder can take on Galactus and Superman isn't as strong and he would lose. Well, uh. 5. Exists alongside all of Heaven in Creation inside of the story. This topic is locked from further discussion. Oct 30, 2006. @Pr_Beyonder said: " @FLCL1 said: " @demifiend said: " current mohamed ali "he beats his ass "Muhammad Ali would kick kick ass's ass. That scales on the top dogs of each omniverse. Reviews: 0. So by definition, above any DC character except the equivalent of TOAA (The Presence. Forum Posts. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware. We're fighting the Guardians now the new ones (Hal, Atroticus, Lareeflezz, Sinestro, Carol, Saint walker, Indigo 1) Atroticus is Blood luInhuman BeyonderPost-Retcon Molecule ManLiving TribunalOblivionGalactus w/ Ultimate NulifierMad Jim JaspersHeralds of Galactus:The Fallen OneSilver SuThe Beyonder (/ b i ˈ ɒ n d ər /) is a fictional cosmic entity appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. Originally, the Beyonder was the supreme being of another reality, dragged into the Marvel Multiverse by a failed. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Representing Marvel:ThanosDr DoomPre-recton BeyondeSorry Merc. Lucifer and Michael are powerhouses but so is PR Beyonder. Follow 334. The Living Tribunal's domain is the multiverse he's from, the Beyonder is the entire surrounding Beyond personified. Karkus. unicron wins and heres why. Adam (presumably Gamora too) were outside his reach when he absorbed everything. Post-Retcon Beyonder on the other hand is only a Cube Being, so is much weaker. Random encounter. vs Arioch vs Dormammu Rules: Round 1:Winner by death, surrender, capture, Random encounter. Following Secret Wars and Secret Wars II, the Beyonder experienced many notable retcons. Build Your Own Omnitrix. LT, Multi-Eternity, Death, Galactus etc. More recently in some versions TOAA has got more anti feats that PRB in terms of power, with Thanos events involving TOAA go. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space,. they have quite the lineup. Following Secret. There's a few tossups though, I think the Bleach verse has the speed and skill to pull out a win here or there. " 13 years ago Pr_BeyonderRandom encounter. 0. PR Beyonder is on par with TOAA but people tend to put him below because TOAA are Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Lucifer & Michael vs PR Beyonder will be a better match-up. 6th. Forum Posts. Apr 2014. His will is law. However, that scan of her being able to have an effect on PR Beyonder was pretty badass. Posts. That would make LT like a germ/bug in comparison to PR-Beyonder. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. @traskindustries: He reminds me of Beyonder because of his pictures, not because. #23 Edited By MrDirector786. This topic is locked from further discussion. PR Beyonder learns about his future self in Marvel (being a jobber) and is pissed off. I need to know please New Comics. The original purpose of PR Beyonder was an equal of TOAA from his own Actuality. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more a match for things like SCP 239. 0. PR Beyonder is barley baseline just through making the beyond verse. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. 0. Follow 15044. Post-Retcon Beyonder vs a Full-Powered Franklin Richards. Having incubated. 13 votes, 12 comments. The Beyonder (pre-retcon) vs The Great Darkness (dark crisis) The most powerful antagonist Marvel ever created vs the latest and greatest existential threat in. Okay I've got a theory, you're either a bot or a really young kid who's interested in Battleboarding and is just throwing random characters out to see what's happening. The Beyonder is at full power and wants to destroy the universe, you can assemble a team of 10 cosmic beings from Marvel and DC to stop him, out of t. also the living tribunal couldnt even do anything to PR beyonder. COIE fully powered anti monitor was the entire DC multiverse, his reality warping and. Fulcrum. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Molecule Man should also stomp IG Thanos. Either way, Beyonder is objectively stronger. New Comics. Crypto@daak1212 said: "@Danilo018 said: "@Pr_Beyonder said: Juggs has become a victim of the hulk affect and is to him former self as the hulk is to Bruce He is taken to neutral plane where cyttorak can. Supposedly it is equal but opposite to the Presence. FollowHere's the deal. New Comics. . Beyonder easily. PR Beyonder may have slightly better feats than Lucifer, he's not nearly as crafty. not_anakin. Pre-Rectonned Beyonder, the most powerful multiverse Cosmic Being Marvel has ever created. Wiki Points. The BeyondersVS. 4 years ago. PR Beyonder existed before all things in existence he was. Molecule man, PR beyonder, post retcon beyonders, oblivion, one below all and many many more. Forum Posts. While secret wars came out in 1984 it extended to 1985 which i believe was when Molecule man made his secret wars appearance. The Overvoid could be the Beyond-Realm before PR Molecule Man created a pinpoint in the Beyond-Realm to the Earth-616 universe. He tanks an attack that would destroy several billion dimensions like nothing from PR Molecule. So yeah, this is the same Beyonder that had PR Molecule Man crying on Vulcana's lap and decimated the entire multiverse just by getting angry. Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. PR Beyonder was above all beings in marvel. Just because that occurred, does not mean Pre-Retcon Beyonder's "im ominoptent" statement holds any weight. Oblivion is higher on the totem pole of power. PR Beyonder is comparable to at least 3 magicians combined, he stomps unbelievably hardPR Beyonder changed the entirety of the universe at his whim. Not remotely. Like, guys, just focus on like a planetary thing or even a system wide thing.